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Hackers and cyber criminals have always held this kind of special fascination.

Obviously I can tell you too much about what I do.

It's a game. Who's the best hacker? And I was like, well this is child's play.

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He also had another thing that happened at the wall.

He was talking about the wall, and then he says he now wants the wall to be see-through

as well. So he went there and he saw the wall, and then he's like, yeah these walls are

cool. My problem is, he said that wall is great.

The problem is it's not see-through.

And he said, and you need to see-through wall, because if it's not see-through, you could

be standing at the wall and then two feet away from you, there could be the cartel.

And he's like, and you'd never know.

And I'm like, yeah, but you wouldn't care. There's a wall.

Do you get them? That's like such a weird thing to say. That's like saying, I need my wall

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