Welcome to the podcast Think Biblically, Conversations on Faith and Culture.

I'm your host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics at Talbot School

of Theology here at viola University.

And I'm your co-host Sean McDowell,

Professor of Christian Apologetics at Talbot School Theology, Biola University.

We're here today with Dr. Katie Butler, who's authored a terrific new book entitled

Between Life and Death, a Gospel Center Guide to End of Life Medical Care.

Katie's a former trauma surgeon, a former faculty member

at Harvard Medical School. She's taking a break from clinical practice to homeschool her

children at present.

But Katie, I am so delighted that you've found the time

to put a lot of the experience that you gained in your years as a trauma surgeon put them down on paper for the

average person to read. The book is so insightful and so helpful. I was just very grateful to you for taking the energy that it took I know to put this together.

Oh, Scott, thank you so much. That's a lot coming from you too, given your backgrounds with working on ethics committees before.

I just pray that it helps people through some, what are really some harrowing situations.

Let me start with this.

You know, you've seen a lot in your years as a trauma surgeon, ER, doctor.

And I mean, you've spent a lot of time with a lot of patients and a lot of families and have seen a lot of natural death, and a lot of unnatural death,

and a lot of unnatural death, too.

How, you talk in the book... and a lot of unnatural death too.

How, you talk in the book that the end of life experience for patients and families

has changed light years in the last, you know, 50 to 75 years.

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