BETWEEN HEAVEN AND HELL: WHY PURGATORY DOESN’T ACTUALLY COME FROM THE BIBLE

Wretched Radio with Todd Friel

Fortis Institute

Religion, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.9 • 3.1K Ratings

🗓️ 3 September 2025

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

It’s Witness Wednesday! Todd Friel takes to the streets for witness encounters. Through these candid discussions, Todd explores the complexities of faith, sin, and salvation, aiming to uncover what people truly believe about eternity.

Segment 1:

• Todd explains why purgatory isn’t biblical, teaching that believers are made perfect instantly after death.

Segment 2:

• Jordan denies God’s existence and dismisses the afterlife as a fairy tale.

• Todd challenges him on sin, judgment, and eternity, exposing deep contradictions in Jordan’s thinking.

• Despite resisting, Jordan hears the gospel message and leaves with something serious to ponder.

Segment 3:

• Lindsey believes she’ll reach heaven because she’s “a good person”, but Todd walks her through the 10 Commandments to show her need for forgiveness.

• Erin, a recent Catholic school graduate, struggles with balancing religion, lifestyle, and true repentance.

• Both confront the reality of sin and leave questioning what they truly believe about salvation.

Segment 4:

• Garrett, 19, shares how his search for meaning through drugs and partying left him empty.

• Now a born-again Christian, he explains Christ’s sacrifice and why faith isn’t just about belief but transformation.

• His story becomes the surprise twist of the day, revealing hope for anyone seeking redemption.

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0:00.0	Wretched Radio begins in three, two, one. Now, I am not reintroducing the idea of purgatory,
0:11.3	but on the other hand, I do believe the baby was thrown out with a bathwater. With that came
0:15.8	a belief. When you die, you're instantaneously and magically made perfect. The soul of someone
0:20.7	who dies immediately goes into eternity.
0:24.0	There is no place where you make up for your sins.
0:26.4	There is no purgatory in the twinkling of an eye.
0:28.8	We shall be changed.
0:31.1	It's time for Wretched Radio with Todd Freel.
0:35.0	Hi, we are doing another live street witness encounter.
0:39.6	We're going to talk to people about their faith in God in the afterlife.
0:44.1	There's a guy that I'd like to catch up with who looks, what's the word I'm looking for?
0:49.4	Interesting.
0:50.5	He's without a shirt, and he's full of tattoos, and I'd like to talk to him about his belief in God. This is our one day a week where we go out into the street and witness to people to see what they believe or don't believe about God. And this guy has got some stuff that I think might be very interesting for us to hear. Excuse me. Hey, have you got a minute to talk to me on the radio? Would you be willing to talk? Cool. What's your name? Jordan. Jordan, nice to meet you. My name's Todd. We're talking to people today about the afterlife. Yeah, kind of cool. First of all, you got to tell me about all these tattoos that are on your body. What's going on here? Got some ink. Like the skulls, any significance?
2:01.9	That's personal. Just personal stuff. So tell me, do you have any beliefs about the afterlife? Like, what happens to you when you die? You're just dead. You're just dead. Don't go anywhere. Nope. No heaven, no hell? Nothing. What about God? What about them? Do you believe in God? Not really. How come? I don't know, man. Just never really thought about it. It all seems a little like a big fairy tale kind of. You ever go to churches again? Yeah, it's confirmed Lutheran. But you didn't believe it? No, not really. I don't know. What do you think about the idea that God might judge all of us when we die?
2:06.9	I guess. If he's there, maybe, they say. I don't really know.
2:10.3	Okay, so if he's going to do that, how do you think you're going to fare?
2:12.2	I'll probably go to hell.
2:15.8	Wow. Really? You think that?
2:17.2	I got a box seat with Hitler. You got a box seat with Hitler? Well, that's not a pleasant thought.
2:21.3	What do you think hell's going to be like?
2:23.3	I don't know.
2:24.3	Does it ever concern you that the place might be real?
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