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So, mom and dad, what if your effort and energy in parenting is all aimed at the wrong thing?

Most of the parents I work with are relentlessly lovers of their kids.

Yes. And what that leads to is they misperceived that their job is to relentlessly parent their kids.

Oh, that's good.

And what our job really is is to relentlessly love our kids enough to parent them as little as possible. And that's not intuitive.

I thought you were going to say that's scary. It is scary too.

This is Focus on the Family with Jim Daly and that clip was part of a conversation we heard last month from Michael Anderson.

He and his co-author Dr. Timothy Johansson want to challenge some of your preconceptions and expectations as a mom or a dad.

And they also want to help you aim at the right things as a parent.

You know, parenting can be a daunting task, can't it?

It doesn't come with a manual per se. You've got to do it. And so often as parents we feel like somehow we're going to know the right thing to do.

And I would say, even for Gene and I, that's not true. You can do so many things wrong.

And if you just have a little bit better insight and information about how to approach those young kids, those teenagers with a little different perspective.

I hope a biblical perspective. Things can go much better and we're going to pour into you today.

If you're struggling as a parent, this program is for you. And we're going to talk about the last time these two are with us and kind of refresh you.

But it is wonderful to have our guests back.

And again, they are Michael Anderson. He's a licensed psychologist and Dr. Timothy Johansson is a professor and pediatrician.

And they've spent decades studying kids, how they grow up and they specialize in helping parents with difficult children.

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