I'll be really honest, because I've said this to Anne in this area.

There's a fear that creeps in.

If it's been a while, I've told her, I'm afraid to touch you, because I feel like you're

going to feel like, oh, you're touching me now, and it's not about love or affection.

And so you feel like I'm using her, and so I don't want to do that.

Until next thing, you know, you're in a bad cycle.

Welcome to Family Life Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter

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I'm Anne Wilson.

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So you remember 30 years ago, we're starting our church.

We decide we really want to reach the guy that doesn't go to church.

So that's sort of our hope that we'd reach so kind of people.

So the first series, do you remember what it was called?

Yes.

What was called?

You don't remember?

It's called The Art of Awesome Living.

Oh, no.

I don't remember that part.

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