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AMC. I'm Jim.

I'm Alexis.

And today we're talking about season 5 episode 8 titled Bagman. Alexis, what did you think of this episode?

It was a little dry, but I liked it.

Oh, God. A joke was a little dry.

Immediately.

Oh, just like a button-down shirt in the desert.

What did you think? I liked it. I thought it was very good. It didn't blow my mind. Like it seemed to blow a lot of the internet's mind. This episode was really

hyped up and I think it was kind of unwarranted because all the hype that I saw

like coming from the actual people involved in making it was not around like how you know this is a

game changer for the story or these characters are going to have totally different perspectives

coming out of this it was more like this was a really hard episode for us to make.

Because it involved a lot of stuff, like the shootout was

a significant investment of time and effort. And so I think that got audience expectations a little high.

And then I think a lot of people are just trying to look at this episode and go,

well, I was told that this is supposed to be a major episode.

And I need it to be that somehow.

Like, I don't feel like the reaction is matching the episode in my opinion because this is not as exciting to me as like last episode where

where Jimmy and Kim are getting married like the episode before that the ending of that was a mind blower where Kim suggested they get married to me that's the kind of thing that makes me go

Ooh wow this episode was a standout this episode not so much to me but it was good like I was definitely involved like

engage with the whole thing is it because we've already seen something very similar in

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