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Long-form television drama enables this kind of deep realism and never has it been achieved

more successfully than a better call, so John Gray of New Statesman, a fantastic review

of one of the great shows in the last 20-25 years. That's right. Better call, so I'll finish

up this past week. No spoilers. I think Roy Bellamy is going to join us. We're going

to try to go no spoiler. We'll see.

We interrupt this episode with a producer's note. Roy Bellamy definitely gives away

spoilers. Spoilers during the Roy Bellamy interview back to the episode.

What's most amazing about this entire process is that show, the finale premiered on Monday

night. I was just taking my parents, my dad does not have AMC. I had to wait five days.

I was on Twitter here and there. Social media, whatever. Nobody spoiled it for me.

I got to watch better call-sol. I don't want to spoil.

Dangerous game going on Twitter when you know that there's something you don't want spoiled.

With algorithms and stuff, I'm surprised that the phone didn't hear your brain thinking

about better call-sol. It's like, oh, let's throw all these tweets at the top. He's thinking

about it. I'm convinced at this point our phone's no what we're thinking. Right now, I'm

thinking about a food item. Not going to say it aloud. My phone in a few minutes will

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