Hi, I'm Zivie Owens, and you're listening to the award-winning podcast.

Moms don't have time to read books. Thanks so much for listening to my podcast. If you like what you hear,

please follow me on Instagram at Zibby Owens and also at Moms Don't Have Time to Read Books. Thanks so much for listening. Enjoy it.

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of clothes? Well, I mean, I guess maybe a box of toys. But anyway, Rockets of Awesome is amazing. Go to Rockets of Awesome.com slash books. And the discount code is Books. And it will be live August 1st. And I hope you enjoy it. And I'll be doing the box right along with you. The interview I did with Betsy Carter was really special to me. When I was growing up, Betsy Carter was like the author that my parents knew and always referred me to. And she and I had this really nice relationship. And I always used to send her my writing and she would be really encouraging. And it's just a total mentor to me. So it's just so great that this is all come full circle. And now I get to interview her for this podcast. So anyway, it's really,

our relationship has meant a lot to me, and it's an honor to get to interview her.

Betsy is the author of many books, including the Orange Blossom special, and her book that just came out now, Lost Souls at the Neptune Inn. I loved her memoir called Nothing to Fall Back

on, which was a national bestseller.

She was a contributing editor for, Oh, the Oprah Magazine, wrote for Good Housekeeping, New York Magazine, and a million other publications.

She was previously an editor at Esquire Newsweek and Harper's Bazaar and was the founding editor of New York Woman.

She currently lives in New York City. Welcome, Betsy. Thanks for

coming on moms. Don't have time to read books. Pleasure to be here in city. Sorry, we had to

re-record this a minute ago because I forgot to press record. So I'm going to say again what I said a

minute ago, which is that this is so exciting for me to be interviewing you because you have been

like a lifelong mentor to me and have been the

one that my parents sort of gave me as the shining example of what it meant to be an author and you

gave me hope that it could like be a profession and all the rest of it and you helped me with

all the stuff I'd written my whole life and I've just been like just so supportive of me

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