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Bethel wouldn't stop him so his son and victims are going public.

BibleThinker

Mike Winger

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.93K Ratings

🗓️ 13 January 2026

⏱️ 139 minutes

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Summary

Bethel knew and didn't warn... I believe that Bob Hartley is one of the key threads running through the past 40 years of the Charismatic church (Bethel, IHOPKC, Morningstar, etc.). If we pull on that thread, we will see the truth that there is a long-standing Cover-up Culture in the movement and some of the biggest names have participated in it. In this video, I interview the son of Bob Hartley, Jedidiah, who exposes his father's fake prophecy grift and how Bob used it to prey upon women. I also interview Michelle Seidler and let her talk about multiple witnesses that have come forward. The reason Jedidiah has gone forward, as well as Michelle, is because Bethel leadership didn't do the right thing years ago. From all appearances their actions are consistent with Cover-up Culture and self-protection. But it is the job of the leaders to protect the people, not themselves. 0:00 Intro: This is a big deal3:05 Bob's son, Jedidiah Hartley, interview 1:21:35 Michelle Seidler interview about multiple victims My website: https://BibleThinker.org

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0:00.0

This is not my typical video, but I do believe this video is very important for the Charismatic Church and for churches in general.

0:08.8

Bob Hartley is a shining example of the cover-up culture in the Charismatic Church.

0:14.6

And so this video is going to draw light onto that situation.

0:18.0

I've got two whistleblowers I'm interviewing in this video.

0:20.5

One is his son,

0:21.6

the son of a fake predatory prophet, and the other one, Michelle Seidler, that is one of his victims,

0:27.2

and one of his lesser victims, she actually had access to many other victims of his, and will share

0:31.4

their testimonies as well. So this is going to be a detailed discussion of the timeline of events that from 2017 at least until now

0:40.9

Bethel did not protect people from Bob Hartley in a way that they should have and nor did

0:46.4

Mike Bickle nor would you expect him to because he turns out he was a predator too nor did any of

0:52.2

these groups so here are the details it is is a bit messy. There's a lot

0:57.1

of information here. I'm not even in agreement with every single thing that my guests is I'm interviewing

1:00.9

say. I was letting them share their stories, but I do think the overall thread, 100% real and the

1:06.3

warning and the dangers that are there. This is cover up culture in the charismatic church.

1:10.2

Guys, I've been trying to help get this across, that there's something's going on here, and it has been going on for literally generations, and it is particularly bad in the charismatic church. What we can do about it is shine light on it, and then ask the people to really change. And this is how they would change. Bethel, you guys need to expose all the people

1:28.1

you know about, including if they're on your own staff. I don't care. That's what you have to do.

1:33.1

Morning Star, you too. And you fill in the blanks all these other people. These cover-up culture,

1:39.8

these different groups, they multiply victims. They empower wickedness because of their view of prophecy,

1:46.9

believe it or not. Okay, well, we're going to get into it here. The first interview is the Jedediah

1:52.5

Hartley. The second one is Michelle Seidler and listen into the whole story because it just gets

1:57.4

crazier as you go. Jedediah will talk about how he discovered his dad's fake prophecy,

2:01.5

then about how he found out about his dad victimizing women,

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