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This week on the podcast, returning for her third time,

Bethany McLean, author of such amazing books as

the smartest guys in the room about the incredible saga of Enron and Howit

became one of the most respected companies in the world, and then blew up.

Her new book, The Big Fail.

What the pandemic revealed about who America protects and who it leads behind

with her co-author, Jonas Sarah.

First of all, I know Bethany for a long time, and I felt very comfortable

really pushing back on some of the things she says in the book, but

you know, to be honest, I couldn't really damage her thesis very much.

The book is deeply researched and relies to a large degree on some nuance and a lot of science.

And a lot of the tropes that we all think about the pandemic,

...