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Best Of: Zayd Ayers Dohrn’s childhood on the run / Writer Jesmyn Ward

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🗓️ 23 May 2026

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Zayd Ayers Dohrn’s mother, Bernardine Dohrn, was a leader of SDS, a student group protesting the Vietnam War. She also led a faction that broke away and became the Weather Underground, advocating armed resistance against the government. His father, Bill Ayers, was also an activist-turned-revolutionary. In a new memoir, Zayd wrestles with questions he had growing up, like if his parents were living underground and on the run from the FBI, why did they have kids? He spoke with Terry Gross.  

Also, two-time National Book Award winning writer Jesmyn Ward (‘Salvage the Bones,’ ‘Sing, Unburied, Sing’) has a new essay collection on grief, motherhood, and survival. It’s called ‘On Witness and Respair.’ She spoke with Tonya Mosley. 


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0:00.0

From W.HYYY in Philadelphia, this is Fresh Air Weekend. I'm Tanya Mosley. Today, growing up underground and on the run.

0:09.6

We talk with Zaid Ayers-Dorn. His mother, Bernadine Dorn, was a leader of the SDS, the Student Anti-Vietnam War Group.

0:17.9

She also led a faction that broke away and formed the weather underground,

0:21.8

advocating armed resistance. In his new memoir, Zaid wrestles with questions.

0:27.6

What turns somebody into a revolutionary? How did my mom go from a law student and a civil

0:33.3

rights activist to a top ten most wanted fugitive and a person who advocated bombing government

0:41.0

buildings.

0:41.9

We also hear from writer Jessman Ward.

0:44.7

She's a two-time National Book Award winner, a MacArthur fellow, and the author of Salvage

0:49.5

the Bones and the memoir Minwee Reed.

0:52.4

Her latest book is an essay collection on grief, motherhood,

0:55.5

and survival. That's coming up on Fresh Air Weekend. This is Fresh Air Weekend. I'm Tanya

1:01.9

Mosley. Terry has our first interview. Here she is. As the child of parents who were

1:07.7

radicals in the 60s and revolutionaries in the 70s, my guest, Zade Ayers-Dorn,

1:13.4

spent his early years underground with parents who were on the run disguising themselves with fake

1:19.8

identities. Zaid Ayers-Dorn's name gives you a sense of his story. His mother, Bernadine

1:26.7

Dorn, was a leader of the 60s radical student group, SDS,

1:30.7

students for a democratic society, which opposed the war in Vietnam and racism.

1:36.2

She and Zade's father, Bill Ayers, helped found the more militant faction that split off from

1:41.8

SDS in 1969 and became the Weather Underground, committed to

1:46.3

armed resistance against the government. For years, Bernadine was on the FBI's 10 most

1:52.2

wanted list. Zaid is also named after Zaid Malik Shakur, the Minister of Information for the New York

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