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ORIGINALLY RELEASED Oct 23, 2023
UPSTREAM INTERVIEW W/ BREHT AND ALYSON:
What Is To Be Done? This is the question so profoundly posed by the Russian Revolutionary and Bolshevik leader, Vladimir Lenin, in his landmark text of the same name. Although it was written well over a century ago, this text, the questions it asked, and the paths forward that it provided, are just as relevant today as they were a hundred years ago. And just as urgent.
What roles do spontaneity and disciplined organization have in leftist movements? Can we focus simply on economic reform, or do our actions need a larger political framework to structure, guide, and propel them?
Why does it feel like even though so many of us are motivated to work towards structural change, that things continue to get worse? Why does it seem like potential revolutionary struggles in the West always seem to stall and fail to move from a singular moment to a protracted movement?
These are old and familiar questions — a lot of ink has been spilled and speeches made exploring them — and in this Conversation, we’ve brought on two guests who've not only thought about these questions in depth, but who have some pretty compelling answers that draw from revolutionary theory and practice in both their personal lives and from the deep well of wisdom bequeathed by theorists Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Mao.
Breht O’Shea is the host of the podcast Revolutionary Left Radio and a co-host of Guerrilla History. He’s been on the show multiple times so you may already be familiar with his voice. Alyson Escalate, who has also been on the show, is the co-host, along with Breht, of Red Menace, a podcast that explains and analyzes revolutionary theory and then applies its lessons to our contemporary conditions.
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0:00.0 | When we're trying to not get tenants evicted, when we're trying to not get tenants evicted, when we're giving mutual aid, when we're feeding, |
0:25.8 | giving school supplies to kids in our community, that's great, but it's literally playing defense. |
0:30.9 | We're trying to, you know, cover up or deal with some of the problems of living in capitalism. |
0:36.3 | We're not taking the fight to anybody at all. |
0:39.1 | If you're on the ground feeding people in your community, salute to you. |
0:42.3 | If you're on the ground fighting for tenants' rights and getting deposits back and taking on slum wards, |
0:46.8 | salute to you. |
0:47.6 | If you're in your local factory helping form a union and leading a union struggle, good for you. |
0:52.7 | You know, you are the sort of seedbed out of which |
0:56.1 | a vanguard party can possibly grow. But we're just saying we're not there yet. And that's the |
1:00.1 | fundamental task because the crises are going to keep coming and they're going to get bigger and |
1:03.9 | they're going to compound. But if we're not organized, those crises will rack us, they'll scatter |
1:08.5 | us, they'll leave us scrambling to play mere defense, |
1:11.6 | and we'll never be able to go on the offensive. |
1:13.7 | And so the task of every communist in the United States right now |
1:16.8 | is to begin working toward a real vanguard party. |
1:21.6 | You're listening to Upstream. |
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1:26.7 | A podcast of documentaries and conversations that invites you to unlearn everything you thought you knew about economics. |
1:34.4 | I'm Della Duncan. |
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