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Listen to The Closer, wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the H-B-Ridee cast from Harvard Business Review. I'm Sarah Green. This episode of The Idea-Cast

it's a very special milestone for us. It's our 400th episode. So to celebrate, we've pulled

together some of our favorite moments from the last few years.

We'll be hearing from the CEOs of Amazon and Starbucks, Director Francis Ford Coppola,

and poet Maya Angelo, and a number of our other favorite management thinkers and researchers.

So if there is a theme for this episode,

it's probably that management itself is meaningful.

And I think that when we rid the world of bad management,

we actually make it a better place.

But first we hear about authenticity at work through the lens of strategic swearing, so let's go

back to our interview with Stanford Professor Bob Sutton. Bob Sutton,

It's really great to have you on the program today.

I've never had an interview start like that.

That's fabulous there.

Well, as a way of backing up, we've been having a conversation on HBR.org about

whether leaders should ever swear. And you sort of picked up that question and ran

with it on your blog.

And one of your points was that in some cases you actually do want to shock people.

But why would a leader want to offend his or her followers?

There is some interesting research, in fact. Laura Kedens one of my colleagues at

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