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hello it's Mike it's Saturday it's the Saturday. I don't know if it's Saturday where you are.

It's actually not Saturday where I am I record these things ahead of time.

Uh-oh, fourth wall coming down. So I guess I've been covering the media in that I reported that I

record these things ahead of time. You know who else covers the media? Ben Smith

he has been doing it for a long time. He was the editor-in-chief of Buzzfeed and then it was a media columnist

for the New York Times. And now he's out with, he is also now the editor-in-chief and

founder of Semaphore, he's out with a media show called Mix Signals and we had he, Ben, and his co-host,

Naimaraza, on the gist to do a sort of episode of Mixed Signals where we talk about one of the big journalism stories of the day

and that's the turmoil at the New York Post and check back in our feed from a couple of days ago to listen to that.

But we talked for much longer, Ben, Naima, and I. We talked

about all manner of media news and sometimes I take those extra chunks and I put them behind, I'm not going to call it a paywall. I reward the big

benefactors of the gist journalism who are called Pesca plus subscribers by giving you that.

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