Hi it's Mike it's Saturday it's the Saturday show breaking format a little bit I'm

going to give you a long interview of a podcast that I very much enjoy listening to and being on it's called

Smoke him if you got him I was the guest but oh not the only guest the hosts of that

show Sarah Heppola and Nancy Rommelman said Mike you, you're the father of boys. We're talking about boydom, about recent findings and trends and concerns and funding, about what's going on with our boys. You have two boys. I'd like to tap into your expertise.

And I said rather than just offer you my insight, I shall offer you a son, a firstborn.

So I got Milo to join the show for the full hour and 20 something minutes.

Me, Milo Pesca as a guest, Sarah Heppola and Nancy Rommelman. Let me tell you about them.

Sarah Heppola is a feature staff writer at the Dallas Morning News.

Newspapers have been out of the game of hiring excellent features riders and the Dallas

morning news says, well, we got a great one right here in our backyard because Sarah has

written for the Dallas Observer in the Austin Chronicle and Texas Monthly and she was a long time editor for

salon.com. She wrote a best-selling memoir called Blackout about her drinking

days. She was the hosting creator of the Texas monthly podcast America's girls about the Dallas

cowboy cheerleaders that's a little bit about Sarah. Nancy Ramelman has

work that appears in the LA Weekly the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, reason. She's a book writer and a

baker, a pie baker, but we're talking about books. Her most recent book is To the Bridge,

a true story of motherhood and murder and she was a long time Portland resident and in

2022 wrote a story about a horrific occurrence in that town, a murder in Portland, wrote it for the Washington examiner other

outlets weren't in the business of buying such examinations of what happens when

bell reform goes a little out of control but just this week in the New York Times

Times columnist Nick Christoph in making his case that West Coast liberalism has gone

a little off the rail cited Nancy's article so you might want to check that out or her work or just

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