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Hi, it's Saturday. I'm here with news about the Saturday show

You know what this Saturday is its Labor Day, which means the start of schools

Although outside the Northeast they started already didn't thing anyway

I bring you a couple of interviews the first one is from 2018 a researcher named Sarah Brownwell

Who is an education researcher and a neuroscientist was on to explain what she found studying how gender

Effect students perceptions of their own intelligence. She's with Arizona State University still is and the next interview

I will bring you is from former assistant secretary of education Diane ravich

She just written a book slaying Goliath the passionate resistance to privatization and the fight to save America's public schools

She said to me in the interview why she left the dark side of advocating for charter schools and why schools should stop testing children to death those interviews up next

When researchers at Arizona State University put together a finding of their paper that was called who

Perceives they are smarter exploring the influence of student characteristics on student academic self concept in

physiology I

noted on Twitter that it became one of those reductive things

Oh these goddamn men always thinking they're smarter than women

But I dug deeper into the study itself and it's really interesting. It's really interesting

How the researchers did their study why they did their study and what they actually found

So I wanted to talk to one of the researchers joining me now is Sarah Brownell who's a neuroscientist and a full-time

Education researcher at the ASU School of Life Sciences. Hello Sarah. Thanks for joining me. Hi Mike. Thank you for having me

Can you tell me what the idea behind conducting this study was?

Sure, so I'm an education researcher and I focus on improving the way we teach undergraduate biology education

And I have done many studies with students thinking about their experiences in undergraduate biology and

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