And now from the Institute of Politics at the University of Chicago and CNN audio, the

Axwiles, with your host, David Axelrod.

With everything that's going on this week in Washington where Kevin McCarthy was unseated

as the House Speaker, I thought I would share this vintage episode recorded eight years

ago with Nancy Pelosi, the most influential and skillful speaker of our times.

It was a master class on politics, power, and how to employ it.

Here's that conversation.

I'm here with Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic leader of the House, former speaker who I

had the pleasure to work with in my two years in Washington.

I'm a city guy.

I grew up in New York City.

I came to Chicago in the early 70s.

I love urban politics.

I mostly did mayor's races for years and years and years.

So Ram used to say, Ramamannual, people think she's a Pelosi, but really she's a Delisandro.

And it's important to know that.

Tell me about growing up in Baltimore in a political family.

Your dad was the mayor, your brother was the mayor.

Tell me what that was like.

Well, when I was born, my father was in Congress from Baltimore.

And when I was seven years old, in the first grade, he became the mayor of Baltimore.

And so when I went away to college, he was still the mayor of Baltimore.

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