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But from Locked on Pacers, Tony East joining us now.

Tony, last night I thought a game where Benedict Matherin continued to show that, you know,

he is obviously a special player and a guy that has a unique ability to score the basketball.

I still wonder and maintain.

Is Benedict Matherin a guy that is going to be that kind of a player for the Pacers

beyond this season?

That's the question.

And they can't even answer it right now, right?

Because what they've needed him to be right now is not that type of player.

Like all the questions we talked about when it comes to his fit and how he'll be

used for the Pacers next year and when they're presumably running and gunning again,

they can't answer.

They haven't been able to play that way.

And they've needed Ben Madden to just be Ben Matherin.

Go cook, go be your defender, go draw foul, go scores some points.

Honestly, and maybe this is just masked by good shot making and, like, actually winning a game. But last night felt more like a blend. Like, it didn't feel, I didn't, there was no stretch of the game where Ben Matherin was just, like, in takeover mode and had 10 points in 45 seconds or something. and he still finished with 24 and had the biggest defensive play of the game and a win. So that like last night's game is the type of game. I think that both parties will hope to see more of where he still leads the team in scoring and has an excellent night, but also does a bunch of other things the team is really proud of. Like after the game, Rick Carlisle obviously talked about the chase down, stopped or whatever it was. I don't know if he actually blocked it, but also mentioned that during the game, he said to Mather and hey, like, you're not defending well enough. He did do this and that better, and he thought he did, right? That's the kind of stuff that will matter for him beyond scoring 24 points and will be valuable to the Pacers

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