You know, you could say at the beginning of the year that Indiana playing this late into the year in the conversation for the college football playoff would have been strictly living on a prayer.

But it is reality now because that's where we are with the undefeated Hoosiers going into Columbus to take on Ohio State.

Joining us now on the Express Pro Tire and Auto Guest Line.

You hear him on Fox Sports Radio as part of the college football recap show.

Aaron Torres joins us.

Aaron, I really appreciate the time.

And I want more so I appreciate also or equally so, you know, the national perspective here.

And let's begin with this.

In your thought and mind, does Indiana, is this a must win for Indiana?

Or if they are respectable but come up short, can they still find their way in if they do not beat Ohio State?

Well, first of all, guys, I appreciate you having me.

I don't know if you, you know, I don't know if I speak for the national perspective because I've been, I feel like more pro-Indiana than maybe anybody else in the national media that I've seen.

Listen, I think there's, you know, listen, and this is part of the conversation.

And listen, I understand why ESPN puts out the rankings on Tuesday.

Listen, it creates several days worth of very interesting conversation in our landscape and gives us a lot to talk about.

But I just bring it up solely to say, I don't think we can have an honest conversation about Indiana until we get the data point

from this weekend.

You know, listen, a win is a lot different than a 20 to 16 loss.

A 20 to 16 loss is a lot different than a 56 to 3 loss.

And so I understand the holes on Indiana's resume.

I also understand the holes on pretty much everyone else's

resume that is contending for an at-large bid. And so I think Indiana this week went from kind of

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