Best Of: Psychiatrist Kenneth Dekleva on Profiling World Leaders
Intelligence Matters
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4.6 • 3.3K Ratings
🗓️ 20 July 2022
⏱️ 42 minutes
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In this "Best Of" episode of Intelligence Matters, host Michael Morell speaks with Kenneth Dekleva, a psychiatrist, former U.S. Department of State Regional Medical Officer, and Senior Fellow at the George H.W. Bush Foundation for US-China Relations, about how experts compile psychological profiles of world leaders. Morell and Dekleva discuss the formative experiences and core characteristics of Russian president Vladimir Putin, Chinese President Xi Jinping, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, and Supreme Leader of Iran Ayatollah Khamanei. They also discuss the character of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, as well as how other countries might approach similar profiles of U.S. leaders. This episode was previously released in March 2022.
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| 0:00.0 | Michael Morell is off this week. This is an encore presentation of Intelligence Matters, |
| 0:05.4 | featuring Michael's March 2022 conversation with psychiatrist Kenneth DeClaiva. |
| 0:11.7 | This is Intelligence Matters, with former acting director of the CIA, |
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| 0:23.7 | Putin is very dangerous because he's a bit unexpectedly cornered |
| 0:29.7 | that makes him more dangerous. This is a mixture of a war and a hostage negotiation. |
| 0:36.0 | Because he has nuclear weapons, he's in a sense holding Ukraine and the West hostage. |
| 0:42.1 | So it's very dangerous and it's very delicate. |
| 0:47.3 | The key to this when it ends, I think Putin needs an off-ramp or a face-saving way where he can |
| 0:54.0 | quote DeClaire Victory, and retreat back to his lair. Sometimes it's better to let the bear run |
| 1:04.1 | out of the cage back into the forest. |
| 1:09.8 | Dr. Ken DeClaiva is a former State Department Regional Medical Officer and psychiatrist, |
| 1:15.6 | and he is currently a senior fellow at the George H. W. Bush Foundation for U.S.-China Relations. |
| 1:21.4 | Dr. DeClaiva is an expert on analyzing the psychology of world leaders. He joins us today to talk |
| 1:27.9 | about this unique area of expertise and about a handful of important world leaders, including Vladimir Putin. |
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