Ready to launch your business? Get started with the commerce platform made for entrepreneurs.

Shopify is specially designed to help you start, run and grow your business with easy customizable themes that let you build your brand.

Marketing tools that get your products out there. Integrated shipping solutions that actually save you time.

From startups to scaleups, online, in person and on the go Shopify is made for

entrepreneurs like you sign up for your one dollar a month trial at shopify.com

slash setup.

Hello and welcome to Jesuitical, a podcast from America Media for Saints and Sinners. You can join us each week for honest conversations about the Catholic Church in our world today, sometimes over drinks. I'm Ashley McKinless, and I'm joined by Zach Davis.

Great to be with you, Ashley, on summer vacation, just like Pope Leo. Yes, he sure is. And if you know anything about our new American Pope, besides that he is U.S. born, it's that he's an Augustinian, the first Augustinian Pope we've had. And he's cited his Augustinian spirituality a number of times in his first couple months as Pope. Yeah. And Augustine famously said, our hearts are restless until they rest in you, O Lord. And Pope Leo has taken some bodily rest this summer. I think he just wrapped up some time at Castelgandolpho, which beautiful place I got to go there during a day off when we were there covering the Senate in October. Lovely. I hope he enjoyed his time there.

But you mentioned Augustine, and something we've been trying to do here at America is reacquaint

ourselves with the Augustinian spirituality, Augustinian charisms, things we published over the years,

just to try to understand this part of our new pontiff a little bit better. And we had a fantastic

episode in our back catalog that did just that

that we wanted to bring to you. That's right. Back in 2019, we spoke with James K.A. Smith.

He is a professor of philosophy at Calvin University in Grand Rapids, Michigan. And he's the author

of a number of books, including On the Road with St. Augustine, A real world spirituality for restless hearts. This is a really

wonderful conversation that makes Augustine feel very modern and relatable. It can be a little

intimidating when you think of reading some like the city of God from the fourth century,

this huge tone. But Augustine is actually seen as the first kind of like

modern writer of autobiography. And if you've read his confessions, you can understand why so

many people are drawn to him today. That's right. And if you haven't read his confessions,

that's okay. This conversation is a great place to start. James K.A. Smith also wrote an article

for us at America right after Pope Le Leo was elected on what to expect from

...