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Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

Best of: Is the News Media Setting Trump Up for Another Win?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

New York Times Opinion

New York Times, Journalism, News, Society & Culture, Ross Douthat

4.07.2K Ratings

🗓️ 23 November 2022

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

This week, we're bringing you an episode from our archives that's more relevant than ever. After former President Donald Trump’s recent announcement of his 2024 White House bid — and his reinstatement on Twitter — there’s the matter of the media: What role should the press play in preserving democratic institutions? When we first asked this question back in December 2021, Times Opinion columnist Ross Douthat pushed back on media critics like N.Y.U. associate professor Jay Rosen, who asserted that the press should strive to be “pro-truth, pro-voting, anti-racist, and aggressively pro-democracy.” Ross disagreed, claiming that such a stance could feed more polarization. Together, Jane, Ross and Jay debate how the press should cover politics, and Donald Trump, in a democratic society. (A full transcript of the episode is available on the Times website.)

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, it's Jane. We first aired this episode almost exactly a year ago. But with Trump's jump

0:06.5

into the presidential nomination pool, two years before the next election, it's more

0:12.5

relevant than ever. For one thing, I think it has a lot of lessons worth reviving about

0:17.6

how the media covered Trump, covers Trump, and how it addresses its biases, a bias towards

0:23.1

centrism or a horse race coverage, for example. I'll be back next week with a brand new episode.

0:29.8

In the meantime, I'm collecting your voice mails about why you changed your political

0:33.4

party. You know, because maybe I'm having that problem now.

0:38.6

If you've changed your party registration, tell me why. Leave me a voice mail 347-915-432-4.

0:45.1

Today on the argument, if American democracy fails, is it the media's fault?

0:58.3

I'm Jane Kostin. We love to blame the media for everything, including who wins or loses

1:06.9

presidential elections. And let's be real. Occasionally we deserve it.

1:20.8

He's an associate professor of journalism at NYU. He says that with voting rights under

1:25.3

attack and people planning coups and PowerPoint presentations, journalists need to seriously

1:30.2

rethink the way they've covered politics.

1:32.4

What's happening there is that journalists want to assure themselves, their colleagues,

1:38.8

and the audience, that they can be fair, that they can be balanced. And as my friend Norm

1:45.3

Arnsene says, a balanced treatment of an unbalanced phenomenon is distortion.

1:51.8

But from my colleague, Rostovet, a balanced treatment of an unbalanced phenomenon is just

1:58.2

good journalism. Ross thinks that in the wake of the 2016 election, the media seriously

2:04.3

overcorrected when it came to covering the Trump presidency.

2:07.6

I think that it led to a lot of highly exaggerated stories where Trump's real swordedness was

2:14.0

blown out of proportion. A lot of cases where Trump did things, sometimes that were reasonable

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