Hi, hello everyone.

Hi, hello everyone.

Welcome, it's Fat Mascara.

So if you're listening to this, the day it came out Wednesday, July 10th,

we're already back from work. We have a brand new amazing episode for you on Friday.

But this right here is one of our best of fat mascara episodes, which we do from time to time

and we have a little vacation, and it was July 4th

here in the United States, so Jess and I took off.

Anyway, this interview, wow.

Listening back, it was kind of one big gossip session.

By the way, it's with Sally Hirschberger, but you read that in the description.

So Jess and I started our careers in beauty and magazines in the early aughtsuts and Sally Hirschberger was one of the biggest

names in hair but I'll just be honest she wasn't warm and cozy with the beauty editors she was kind of an icon and just too cool and she was too busy being a fashion heavyweight.

So you know, you didn't get a chance to interview her a lot.

So when we finally met her for this interview, which we recorded spring of 2019 2019 so it's an early interview.

We just had a backlog of questions as you will hear.

We wanted to talk about her life and how she got into hair and the whole world of celebrity hair and she just has some crazy stories.

So are you going to learn to cut a shag like Sally Hirschberger in this interview?

Absolutely not.

But you will learn that her first girlfriend was Joan Jett and you'll learn how hard it is to keep a salon open

Even when you have a well-known name and investors just the business of being in salons

The business of being Sally, it's difficult. So this is like gossipy

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