Ted Audio Collective.

This archival episode of Design Matters originally dropped in November of 2018.

Now it feels more important and deeply significant

to create institutions that are speaking to an America that is represented by democracy and

diversity and believes in equity. From the TAB Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Milman.

For 14 years now, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative people

about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and

working on.

On this podcast, Debbie talks with the museum director

The Thelma Golden about the power of curation.

The cultural landscape is not fixed.

It can be shifted and changed, and we can claim places in it.

Some kids dream of becoming artists.

Thelma Golden dreamed of becoming a curator, and her dream came true.

In 1993, Thelma Golden brought many non-white, non-male artists into the Whitney Biennial, which he co-currated that year.

In 1994, she curated another show at the Whitney titled The Black Mail representations of masculinity in contemporary

American art.

It was controversial and it put her on the map as a fearless curator with a gift for disturbing the racial status quo in art.

She is currently the director and chief curator of the studio museum in Harlem where she continues

to provoke and inspire.

Thelma Golden, welcome to Design Matters.

Thank you.

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