Ted Audio Collective There's a weekly art meeting and all the

cartoonists we call it the Batch. We submit a group of 6, 8, 10 cartoons every week and

then they either buy something at one drawing or they don't. Every blue moon you might

sell too but often enough you don't sell any. From the Ted Audio Collective this

is Design Matters with Debbie Milman. For 17 years Debbie Milman has been talking

with some of the world's most creative people about what they do, how they

back to be who they are and what they're thinking about and working on. And now

some of those interviews appear in print and Debbie's brand new book Why Design Matters,

Conversations with the world's most creative people. It's coming out in February of this year.

In anticipation of the book, we're releasing interviews from the archives this month. We thought

it would be fun for listeners to hear not only some great interviews but also to hear how the

podcasts evolved over the years. So we've been releasing the oldest ones first and proceeding

chronologically. In January of 2016, Debbie spoke with cartoonist Ross Chast.

You know, I don't bound out of it thinking this is just another great day in my endless great life.

Ross Chast after the break.

Do you ever feel like your laptop just keeps going but you are completely drained?

I think a lot of us don't realize how much pain we live in because of our interactions with

computing. NPR's Body Electric, a special interactive series investigating how to fix the relationship

between our tech and our health. Listen in the Ted Radio Hour feed wherever you get your podcasts.

Of all the cartoonists whose work appears in the New Yorker magazine, who's your favorite?

Well, the competition there is very stiff but for me, the one who really gets to me is Ross Chast.

Not just her jokes but her characters, her famously frumpy, Jewish-y,

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