This archival episode of Design Matters originally came out in December of 2021.

I sang using my voice as an instrument. The early, you know, the early stuff murmur, particularly.

It's like cigarettes or this mortal coil, Elizabeth Frazier, people that are creating languages

or just singing nonsense without the narrative is within the emotion and the feeling of the voice.

From the Ted Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Milman.

For 17 years, Debbie Milman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what

they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on.

On this episode, Michael Stuype talks about his life and music and photography.

I've had this extraordinary life surrounded by and meeting incredible, incredible people.

When Michael Stuype was a lead singer and lyricist for the band, Arianne,

Alance and Interests Beyond Music, he was deeply involved in crafting the album covers and other

aspects of the band's visual identity. In 1998, he published his first photo book and in recent years,

he's books of photography. His latest is an untitled book of portraits and still lives,

the making of which was complicated in interesting ways by COVID. He joins me now to talk

about his practice of photography and about the musician and an artist. Michael Stuype,

welcome to Design Matters. Thank you, Debbie. How's it going? It's so nice to see you.

So nice to see you too. Michael, I understand that the best kiss of your life was with Alan Ginsburg.

Well, that was that was a questionnaire for Arianne or independent. It was for a UK paper for short.

One of the UK papers and you know, they think that Americans have no sense of humor or sense of

irony. So I work extra hard to create ridiculous responses to their questions. Oh, so it wasn't

really true? It was a very memorable kiss. Alan's kiss, yes. We were working together. We were

several years with Tibet House out of New York City. There was a yearly benefit, an annual benefit

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