Ted Audio Collective It's not about Glenin, the way in which Glenin

loves me makes me feel not just seen but held, right? So I've changed so much over

the last four years and it's because I feel like I keep turning into the person I

believe Glenin sees me be. From the Ted Audio Collective this is Design

Matters with Debbie Milman. For 17 years Debbie Milman has been talking with some

of the world's most creative people about what they do, how they got to be

who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on. And now some of

those interviews appear in print in Debbie's brand new book Why Design Matters.

Conversations with the world's most creative people. It's coming out in

February of this year. In anticipation of the book we're releasing interviews

from the archives this month. We thought it would be fun for listeners to hear

not only some great interviews but also to hear how the podcast has evolved

over the years. So we've been releasing the oldest ones first and proceeding

chronologically. In November of 2020 Debbie spoke with Abby Womback and Glenin

Doyle about love, career and mental health. Well I don't like probably myself

mentally ill. It feels like mentally ill makes it seem like I'm about to get

better. Abby Womback and Glenin Doyle after the break. Do you ever feel like

your laptop just keeps going but you are completely drained? I think a lot of us

don't realize how much pain we live in because of our interactions with

computing. NPR's Body Electric, a special interactive series investigating how

to fix the relationship between our tech and our health. Listen in the Ted

Radio Hour feed wherever you get your podcasts. In 2009 Glenin Doyle was

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