Ted Audio Collective

It was also amazing to go through the archives at the Vatican.

We went through one room and someone pulled that drawer

and there was a letter from Peter, St. Peter.

From the Ted Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Milman.

For 17 years Debbie Milman has been talking with some of the world's most creative people about what they do,

about to be who they are and what they're thinking about and working on.

And now some of those interviews appear in print in Debbie's brand new book, Why Design Matters.

Conversations with the world's most creative people.

It's coming out in February of this year.

In anticipation of the book, we're releasing interviews from the archives this month.

We thought it would be fun for listeners to hear not only some great interviews,

but also to hear how the podcast has evolved over the years.

So we've been releasing the oldest ones first and proceeding chronologically.

In March of 2018 Debbie spoke with interactive designer Edwin Schlossberg about his career.

And about the time he asked the Vatican archivist why they had cataloged so few of their historical treasures.

Excuse me if this sounds disrespectful, but you've had a long time.

How come so little and he said, what's the hurry?

Edwin Schlossberg after the break.

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I think a lot of us don't realize how much pain we live in because of our interactions with computing.

NPR's Body Electric, a special interactive series investigating how to fix the relationship between our tech and our health.

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