Best of Design Matters: David Cay Johnston

Design Matters with Debbie Millman

Design Matters Media

Arts, Design

4.6 • 1.3K Ratings

🗓️ 28 July 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist David Cay Johnston has spent his career exposing corruption in business and government. A relentless muckraker, he’s written The Making of Donald Trump and It’s Even Worse Than You Think, offering a searing look at the Trump administration’s impact on America. This archival episode with David Cay Johnston first aired in 2018, during Donald Trump’s first term. The conversation remains just as urgent and relevant today.

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0:00.0	This archival episode with David K. Johnston originally came out in 2018.
0:06.7	Donald Trump was in his first term, but the issues Debbie and David talk about are just as relevant today.
0:13.1	He's the person they still believe is going to save them.
0:16.2	Why? Why, David?
0:17.3	Because they're just not connected to politics.
0:19.7	And they've bought Donald's con.
0:22.3	And it's very hard for people who've been conned to admit they were taken.
0:27.4	And you have to say, I was dumb.
0:28.9	I got taken to yourself.
0:33.3	From the TED Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Milma.
0:40.5	For 14 years now, Debbie Milman has been talking with designers and other creative types about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about.
0:49.2	On this podcast, Debbie Milman talks with David K. Johnston about the fun of investigative journalism.
0:55.0	The great thing about being a journalist if you treat it seriously is you're a perpetual graduate student,
0:59.8	and the only difference is the public reads your papers.
1:08.5	Lunch time. Time to get my macro in the microwave oh kitchen banter afoot if in doubt join in
1:15.3	oh hey jim you listen to comedy on audible too uh yeah so funny yeah what's your favorite title
1:25.8	uh the comedy comedian show.
1:30.9	That's not a real show, is it, Jim?
1:33.1	Get in on the jokes with comedy on Audible.
1:36.2	Subscription requires the audible.com. At U.K. for terms.
1:39.6	Hey, Ted fans. We know you love a gripping, mind-opening idea from listening to TED podcasts like this one.
1:45.5	But have you considered sharing your own idea in your very own TED Talk?
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