Ted Audio Collective The photos that I wound up using mirrored more

of what the appropriate photos were for that site.

So I had a V-neck top-on that showed some skin, I tanned, I wore a skirt, I made sure that

my hair looked great, so I used all new photos.

I totally changed how I described myself using keywords that I knew would be optimized

for that site.

So Ted Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

For 17 years Debbie Millman has been talking with some of the world's most creative people

about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about

and working on.

And now, some of those interviews appear in print in Debbie's brand new book, Why Design

Matters.

Conversations with the world's most creative people.

It's coming out in February of 2022.

In anticipation of the book, every Thursday we're going to be releasing an interview from

the archives in addition to our new episodes that come out on Mondays.

We thought it would be fun for listeners to hear, not only some great interviews, but

also to hear how the podcast has evolved over the years.

In April of 2013 Debbie interviewed Digital Strategist and author Amy Webb about why she makes

herself available to clients 24-7 and how she found her husband using a point system

for online dating.

He said it was if somebody had conjured him up, and he said it was such a surreal, out-of-body

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