Ted Audio Collective.

This archival episode of Design Matters originally dropped in November of 2021.

Writing is difficult, but to do artists,

it's just too easy for me to do it.

So I cannot even compare this to.

From the TED audio collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Millman.

For 17 years, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what they do, how they got to be who they are,

and what they're thinking about and working on.

On November 10th, 2021 at the Brooklyn Academy of Music in front of a live audience,

Debbie spoke with artist and political gadfly, I Wei Wei.

They talked about his family, his art, and his new memoir,

One thousand years of joy and sorrow.

That's coming up after the break.

I'm really excited to introduce you to a new podcast that I am loving.

It is from one of my favorite places on Earth,

the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

The show is titled Immaterial,

5,000 years of art, one material at a time. Hosted by Camille Dungy, each episode examines a material of art,

clay, stone, trash, and even intangible things like space.

You'll gain a deep understanding of what these materials make us feel and reveal

about our history and our humanity.

You'll also get a sense of the meaningfulness of these materials in art

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