Best of Bewildered: All the Way to Heaven is Heaven

Bewildered

Martha Beck and Rowan Mangan

Business, Courses, Education, Self-improvement, Entrepreneurship

4.9 • 1.3K Ratings

🗓️ 9 July 2025

⏱️ 47 minutes

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In our culture we’re socialized to believe that if we suffer enough, we’ll be rewarded later—and our reward will be happiness. In other words, happiness is something we have to earn through suffering. On this “Best of” episode of Bewildered, we challenge this cultural belief, inspired by the words of 14th century mystic St. Catherine of Siena who said, “All the way to heaven is heaven.” To hear more about this idea—and how you can experience happiness right now—join us for one of our favorite episodes!

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0:00.0	Hello there, members of our beautiful bewildered cahoot.
0:04.2	How are you? How are you? Tell me right now.
0:07.8	We've got a fun episode coming up for you today. We're going to be talking about all the ways we can trick ourselves into going against our own joy, even when we think we're going with that joy.
0:19.8	Yeah, we'll talk about the difference between doing the things we love and the love of doing
0:25.8	things, which are not the same.
0:28.8	Yeah, and all the pitfalls that we create for ourselves in trying to love what we do and do
0:35.2	what we love.
0:36.1	So, we hope you enjoy it, and we'll see you on the other side.
0:40.3	So as some of you listeners may know, a few months ago,
0:43.4	Roan and I started something called the Wilder Community,
0:46.6	which is kind of an online village where people like us who want to find our true nature,
0:52.8	even if it peels us away from culture,
0:55.4	can get together, commune, make friends and do things.
1:00.2	We have all kinds of regular events in there that are just so fun.
1:03.8	We have a weekly hang where we get together and we have conversation.
1:07.9	We make art in our own little rooms, in our own little places,
1:12.0	but all together.
1:13.2	There are group meditations that Martha leads that are crazy powerful.
1:18.6	And there are just all kinds of monthly themes and personal development stuff that we work
1:24.6	through together and just a hive of activity and connection among
1:30.4	really wonderful people. Yeah, so if you're feeling drawn to belong to a community in these
1:36.5	troubled times, give Wilder a try. It's at wildercom.com, all one word, and we hope we'll see you
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