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Audio. So I'm trying to project. I'm recording this before Christmas. I'm trying to imagine what I will be doing as people are listening to this on Christmas Day. Assuming people even are. I don't know what's going to be happening out there, but some of you will probably listen to this. The really hardcore sickos are going to be listening to this episode on Christmas Day.

What will I be doing?

I will be with my family.

I'll be with my parents.

My son is getting DJ equipment.

So I can only imagine what's going to be happening, what I'm going to be hearing.

He just wants to make beats.

I don't know where he gets this stuff, but I'm going to probably be trying to figure out how to make beats. I don't know where he gets this stuff,

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