I've been cognizant of and awoke to systemic racism all my life.

Well, I'm a 60 year old white cisgender straight man who finally realize I do not want to pass from this mortal place

without having punched at white supremacy, without taking a knock against patriarchy,

without really leaning into a nativist anti-immigrant stance.

I cannot go to my grave, not having tried.

I cannot look my children in the eye if I didn't try. I have a moral responsibility to look at the

experience of my fellow human beings through the lens of how can I make

it better, how can I make a difference?

And I'll be damned if I pass through this life without having tried.

That was the lesson. What is my work to do?

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Jerry, welcome back to the unmistakable creative. Thanks much for taking the time to join us.

Thanks for having me back, Trini. It's just a delight to reconnect with you. I remember with a lot of warmth and fondness our first

conversation. So yeah for having me. Likewise it's such a pleasure to have you

back. I mean you're one of those people, I think, who's work,

you know, I quote in my conversations with people,

I revisit frequently, I think that it would be an understatement

to say that it has had a very very tangible impact on my thinking, my

behavior and my thought process about running a company. So you have a new book

out called Reunion Leadership and The Long to Belong, all of which we will get into.

And I wanted to start by asking what I think is a very relevant question to this book, and that is,

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