think about the people in your life and whether this was true of you or the people in your life.

The people who were the happiest and enjoyed the most well-being in midlife, career success and

financial success success had several

factors in common. They had a professor who knew them well. They had a

meaningful internship.

They were involved in at least one

extracurricular activity.

The internship that they enjoyed was over multiple semesters so that they could take what they were learning at school and apply it.

Those were the factors and when you boil it down what it comes down to is this idea of

mattering.

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Thank you so much for having me. It is my pleasure to have you here. You have a new book out called Never Enough

when Achievement Culture becomes Toxic and as I told you and I emailed you this is

probably my favorite book I've read the entire year and I felt like one of the most

important books I've read this year. But before we get into the book given that I kind of see

you as a social scientist, I wanted to start asking you what social group were you

part of in high school and what impact did that end up having on what you

have in your life and career? Oh that's a really good question. So I would say I, I mean the social group, I was part of, I went to an all-girls school and I was part of a group that was affectionately known as the six pack. There were about six of us.

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