What is the best cartridge for a kid starting to hunt,

or even just a beginner, learning how to hunt?

Folks, we're here to try and solve this problem

that every parent and grandparent an aunt and uncle should be considering, right, William?

Yes, sir.

So I'm Joseph von Benedict with the Backcountry Hunting Podcast,

and here today we have the backcountry apprentice.

The backcountry apprentice.

William has been with me on the show for so many years, basically since it started.

Is it six years this month?

Yeah, the podcast has been going for six and a half years.

So you're in right now at six years because William does our backcountry

apprentice segment, which is the single most popular segment on the show.

Kind of funny and cool.

Sponsored by Timney.

Thank you, Timney.

We love you.

And I can't think of anybody better to argue with me about what makes the perfect kid cartridge than William.

Because even though he's just 15, he's pretty dang savvy with firearms, cartridges, bullet performance,

and he discusses this a lot with his hunting pals that he's made at school and around the community.

So let's dive right in.

And our protocol today is kind of fun. Instead of trying to just pick the best one and argue for it,

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