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I'm Sean Fennese. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is the big picture, a conversation show about the 93rd Academy Awards.

It happened inside the cozy confines of Los Angeles' Union Station. Hollywood's biggest night went off.

Well, it went off with a hitch actually. It happened in person and we're going to talk about that right now on the big picture.

Amanda, we were having what seemed like a unique, calm, normal award show.

We things were sort of getting back to normal and then some wildness happened at the end of this show.

For starters, best picture was presented with 20 minutes left in the award show. Here's what I thought to myself.

What the fuck is happening right now? Because I've never seen this before.

Steven Soderberg as one of the producers is prone to making unique decisions as a creator and so I rolled with it. Then we got best actress. Very exciting.

Frances McDormand-Wan, I predicted that correctly. That was a sweet moment. And then we got best actor.

Who came out but Joaquin Phoenix, the winner of best actor last year to present the best actor award?

Now we have been talking for months about the expectation that Chadwick Boseman was going to win this award posthumously.

And then what happened? Anthony Hopkins won best actor for the father.

Anthony Hopkins, who did not attend the Oscars and did not attend any of the satellite spaces.

So this show ended basically on a freeze frame of a photo of Anthony Hopkins. And boy, that was not ideal.

That was not an ideal ending to this award show. I think we're both a little bit on board by it, frankly,

because not only were we not expecting it, but it seems I have to assume that the producers of this show were not expecting that.

So when best picture came up with two awards left with best actor and best actress still left.

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