The thing that people don't talk enough about to my mind is that when you get traumatized,

it makes it very difficult to learn important new life skills and to grow and to mature in some ways.

Because you keep getting stuck out, I'm a little child who's getting hurt.

And you don't have the opportunity to really feel honest, but it feels like

to be an adult who is more or less in charge of their own lives.

So these last few years, they've dealt a lot of blows to our state of mind,

body and health and on some level. It's been hard to escape some form of trauma.

Even if you can't point to a big capital T thing that happened. We live in this

perpetualcy of micro moments that unsettle upset and shake us in a way that can leave a mark.

Whether we know it's there or not, whether we realize or acknowledge it,

it's affecting so many of us. You meet pretty much everyone on some level.

The question is, what do we do about that? This is the very question I explore with my guest

this week, Bessel Vandicole, legendary trauma researcher psychiatrist, an author of a book that

has been locked onto the number one spot on the New York Times bestseller list for years now,

the body keeps the score and the very fact that it has been there speaks to the pervasiveness

of what so many have been feeling. In 1984, Bessel established one of the first clinical research

centers in the US, dedicated to the study and treatment of traumatic stress in civilian populations,

while also training researchers and clinicians, specializing in the study and treatment of traumatic

stress. He was a member of the first neuroimaging team to investigate how trauma actually changes

the brain and his efforts led to the establishment of the Trauma Research Foundation,

developing new treatment models that are widely taught and implemented nationwide,

a research lab that studies the effects of neurofeedback and MDMA on behavior and mood and

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