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All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg

Bernie Sanders: Stop All AI, China's EUV Breakthrough, Inflation Down, Golden Age in 2026?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg

All-In Podcast, LLC

Entrepreneurship, Technology, Business

4.27.1K Ratings

🗓️ 19 December 2025

⏱️ 90 minutes

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Summary

(0:00) Bestie intros!

(0:19) Bernie Sanders calls for AI datacenter moratorium, how to solve the negative perception of AI

(17:15) Anti-AI astroturfing: Is the AI sentiment manufactured by special interests?

(32:39) Economy: Unemployment, jobs, inflation, are we primed for a "Golden Age" or not?

(51:44) Dog Corner!

(59:56) China's major AI breakthrough: lithography, impact on the AI race?

(1:19:43) Are the rest of the Besties moving to Texas?

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Referenced in the show:

https://x.com/SenSanders/status/2001057004370948131

https://x.com/RoKhanna/status/2001733168819319167

https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/2001726037848478000

https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/2001320789279203694

https://andymasley.substack.com/p/i-cant-find-any-instances-of-data

https://www.semafor.com/article/12/07/2025/ai-critics-funded-ai-coverage-at-top-newsrooms

https://connecticuthistory.org/ida-tarbell-the-woman-who-took-on-standard-oil/

https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/1987238502124409321

https://www.npr.org/2025/12/16/nx-s1-5645023/jobs-employment-labor-market

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/18/cpi-inflation-breakdown.html

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CES9091000001

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/how-china-built-its-manhattan-project-rival-west-ai-chips-2025-12-17/

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/uk/trump-administration-pressed-dutch-hard-to-cancel-china-chip-equipment-sale-so-idUSKBN1Z50H4/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41377-025-01923-w

Transcript

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0:00.0

All right, everybody, welcome back to your favorite podcast, the number one podcast, in fact, in the entire universe, the all-in podcast with your besties.

0:11.3

We're all here.

0:12.0

It's the original quartet.

0:13.8

Everybody loves when the core four are here, and we have a docket for you today.

0:19.0

Guys, we've got to start out with Bernie Sanders.

0:20.7

I know this is becoming a bit repetitive, but AI is the topic.

0:24.6

We reached a new level of retardation this week that we cannot avoid.

0:29.6

Bernie Sanders has a major D-cell pitch, a moratorium on new AI data centers.

0:39.0

Here's his argument.

0:43.5

Number one, the billionaires are pushing AI because they want more money in power.

0:46.4

Number two, it's going to be massive unemployment.

0:53.0

And he cates, Stario, Elon, saying that AI would replace most jobs.

0:57.2

Number three, he has an interesting point, actually.

1:01.1

AI is harmful to kids because it decreases social interaction. Actually, we kind of agree with that one, I think, across the board. But here's his pitch, Sacks. His pitch is, you want your kids using

1:08.5

these chatbots? No, I've talked to my kids about it.

1:11.2

Oh, okay.

1:11.9

We'll get into it.

1:13.4

We can get into it.

1:13.4

But I've talked to them about it.

1:14.4

Look, if you actually look at the data, if you look at what kids are doing, it's so much

1:19.6

more interactive and engaging for them to talk to their friends on Snap or to watch videos on

1:25.2

TikTok.

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