From One World Trade Center in Manhattan, this is The New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.

So thank the people of New Hampshire for a great victory tonight.

Welcome to The New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick.

Bernie Sanders right now is the frontrunner in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination. For some in the party, this is

some kind of nightmare. They say he's too far out to the left, out of touch with voters, that

nominating Sanders is the best way to guarantee Donald Trump a second term.

For many others in the Democratic Coalition, Bernie Sanders isn't just a frontrunner.

He's the very future of the party.

In politics, I believe you make the odds.

Your energy, your support can change the odds from looking bleak to looking pretty good.

That's Keith Ellison.

He served as the deputy chair of the Democratic National Committee before becoming the Attorney General of Minnesota.

And he recently endorsed Bernie Sanders for president.

I reached Keith Ellison in his office in Minneapolis.

I just thought, you know, Bernie's political and economic program and his basic approach to organizing, and the fact that he got arrested for civil rights protests, made me think that he was, had the right program and had the right approach to mass organization and organizing to move that program forward.

He did surprisingly well in 2016, or at least he surprised a lot of people.

Yeah, he did.

But there were still a lot of voters there who thought, I don't know, this guy is too left. He's too radical, too ideological for me. Now it's four years later.

And there are still a lot of people who seem to feel that way, and you see them voting for

Klobuchar or Buttigieg.

What's the argument you'd make to those people about why they shouldn't be afraid to vote

for Bernie Sanders?

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