Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention.

Can you diggers?

Greetings or listeners.

This is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant podcast,

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It's rare I have a podcast scheduled as far in advance as this one was. But my friend and

often CNN, a colleague for one of the better word, Elliot Williams has been working on this

book and I've been sort of giving him random book advice, cautionary tales for months.

And I told him when the book comes out, we will be happy to have him on.

And we are happy to have him on.

The new book is five bullets, the story of Bernie Gets, New York's explosive 80s,

and the subway vigilante trial that divided the nation. Alas, I didn't give

him my theory about long subtitles. But anyway, Elliot, welcome back to the remnant.

Oh, it was, thank you, Jonah. And I'm thrilled to be back with you. Look, dude, we went back and

forth about that subtitle because we felt we had to get the name

Bernie gets in the title because otherwise people have no idea what the book's about. We had to get

Subway and Vigilante in the title and before long we had about 12 syllables blown and then it was

just well screw it let's just double down and just it. Take up a whole page. It's fine.

All right. Well, I mean, beyond what I learned from the subtitle and also my own childhood in the 1980s in New York City, what's your book about? My book is about the 1984 subway vigilante shooting.

Bernard Gett shoots for unarmed black teenagers in the subway of Scans comes back, is put on trial.

He's ultimately turns himself in, put on trial and acquitted of all violent crime charges.

The big thing behind the story, Jonah, as you know very well, it was immensely polarizing

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