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The Business of Fashion Podcast

Benoit Pagotto: Fashion Brands Are Getting Community Building Wrong

The Business of Fashion Podcast

The Business of Fashion

Fashion & Beauty, Business, Arts

4.6770 Ratings

🗓️ 6 May 2022

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

At the BoF Professional Summit, RTFKT’s co-founder explained why he agreed to sell to Nike in 2021, and unpacked how brands can leverage web3 and associated technologies to grow  their communities.

“A lot of brands are getting it wrong — they need to stop thinking about their business and ask instead: ‘what can I do for my community?’” said Benoit Pagotto, co-founder of virtual fashion start-up RTFKT Studios. 

Pagotto added that fashion brands need to invest in incentivising individuals to build an engaged community in the long run. 

Giving people access to digital assets or tokens such as NFTs, which can increase in value over time, helps customers feel they are contributing to a brand’s growth story, he explained, but adding that brands also need a new mindset.

“The word ‘consumer’ is over,” he said, noting how the democratising nature of the web3. “has shifted power to the individual, and now brands’ communities will define their value.”

 

Key Insights: 

  • Co-founded by Benoit Pagotto at the beginning of the pandemic as a virtual fashion platform, RTFKT was acquired by Nike in December 2021, marking the sportswear giant’s most significant push into the metaverse. 
  • In late April, the two companies revealed their first product: a pair of virtual Nike Dunk sneakers, whose look owners can change with different digital skins.
  • Pagotto believes that building and engaging communities is a long-term endeavour that requires customer incentivisation, rather than social media strategies.

 

Additional Resources:

  • How Brands Are Using NFTs to Keep Customers Hooked: Brands like Adidas, Gucci and The Hundreds are finding the tokens are a great way to reward their superfans. But maintaining that loyalty can be hard work.
  • Op-Ed | Notes From an NFT Sceptic: Nike, Adidas and other big brands have plunged headlong into the latest crypto craze. But companies and their customers may soon discover converting virtual fashion into real-world profits isn’t so easy. Caveat emptor, warns The NPD Group’s Matt Powell.

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0:00.0

Hi, this is Imran Ahmed founder and CEO of the Business of Fashion. Welcome to the BOF podcast. It's Friday, May 6th. This week, our team landed in New York for the BOF Professional Summit, New Frontiers in Fashion and Technology, our first physical event in North America since before the pandemic.

0:22.0

For more than two decades now, the fashion industry's technological transformation has

0:26.4

been gathering momentum. But the pandemic turbocharged this. When we entered lockdowns in March

0:32.3

2020, we had no idea what was going to happen. And now that we are re-emerging two years later, from a fashion technology perspective,

0:40.6

it's almost as if 10 years have gone by.

0:43.6

Nowhere is this more clear than in the development of and the hype surrounding the

0:47.9

metaphors.

0:49.0

And the poster child of this movement in fashion is the co-founder of Artifact, Benoit Pagotto,

0:55.2

whose company was acquired by Nike in December.

0:59.1

Benoit joined me for a conversation at the summit

1:01.3

to explain why he agreed to sell his business now

1:04.5

and unpack how brands can grow their communities

1:07.5

in the burgeoning Web 3 space.

1:10.5

Here's Benoit Pagotto at the B-OF Professional Summit.

1:15.5

For everyone who doesn't know what you do,

1:18.7

I think we need to start with that very basic explanation

1:21.1

that you gave to me a long time ago to just explain...

1:25.1

Well, what does artifact do exactly and when you

1:30.0

i think when i asked you the first time i said you know if you were explaining it to your grandmother

1:34.8

you know how would you how would you how would how would you explain it because you know we this morning

1:40.4

we hear all of these different buzzwords web Web3, Dow, you know, community.

1:45.0

A lot of bad stuff were said as well.

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