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Welcome to The Treatment.

I'm Elvis Mitchell.

The aphorism, be worth the things you want, or you shall have them, could apply to the films of my guest director, Bennett Miller.

The films, of course, are Capote. Moneyball and his newest Fox Catcher. First of all, thanks much for being here.

Thank you.

I mean, in each case, there's somebody, a protagonist who's vying for something and looking for some kind of a life change and that life change happens and not the way they any of them ever expected to happen.

What does it come from for you?

Oh gosh.

Well, I don't know.

I woke up this morning thinking about disillusionment and how that's not

necessarily a bad thing and that disillusionment can feel like a downer when our dreams are

burst. But for me, it's sort of a necessary step, a rite of passage, you know, about maturing and facing reality in your life as it is, not as you want it to be.

And I think it's, I think it happens that, you know, we pursue our ambitions,

thinking we're pursuing one thing.

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