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Ben, were you surprised to find out, first off, that in the tunnels with Hamas in Gaza, that the

Hamas militants were bragging to the hostagesages that they have direct links to the students in

America? Well, no, not at all, to be honest. I mean, I think that if you look at some of the

groups that have been marching up and down these protests, both in New York as well as in London,

you're seeing those links. And I think that, look, Hamas and one level are terrorists,

they're brutal terrorists, but they also have a political wing. They have people in Qatar. These

people have influence around the world. So you mustn't just think of them as the bad guys underground.

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