In this episode, Kelly and Jay recount an extraordinary night at the International Remote Viewing Association conference in Cloudcroft, New Mexico—one that began as a simple group experiment in spoon bending and ended with a display of unexplained aerial activity over the nearby White Sands Missile Range. As dozens of participants focused their attention around a bonfire, cutlery softened and twisted in their hands—just as amber lights began moving across the desert sky in ways that defied conventional motion. The synchronicity between the two events raised unsettling questions about consciousness, matter, and the possible feedback loop between human intention and the phenomenon itself. Kelly and Jay examine that night moment by moment, reflecting on its implications for remote viewing, psychokinesis, and the broader study of anomalous events. Along the way, they discuss: The history of spoon bending and PK (psychokinesis) experiments, from Jack Houck’s “PK parties” to government research programs. The atmosphere and experiments at the IRVA conference, including conversations with legendary remote viewers like Lyn Buchanan, Paul H. Smith, and Dale Graff The simultaneous UAP activity observed near White Sands and its uncanny timing with the group’s collective experiment How belief, skepticism, and shared attention can shape reality—and why documenting the anomalous is never just about evidence, but about participation. This episode invites listeners to consider the possibility that consciousness is not a passive observer of the world—but an active participant in its unfolding. Music for Cosmosis is by Michael Rubino. The show is brought to you by SpectreVision Radio. ✨ Join the conversation and go deeper: Cosmosis Community on Patreon – ad-free episodes, monthly calls, private Discord, and more: CosmosisCommunity.com Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality – now streaming on Amazon, Apple TV, and multiple platforms: Cosmosis.Media Watch Cosmosis: UFOs & A New Reality: https://www.cosmosis.media/ Join the Patreon: https://cosmosiscommunity.com Subscribe to Cosmosis: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Cosmosis.Podcast Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7KnyktIs059pbVdccD020D?si=f3835f36a8cb479d Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cosmosis-formerly-the-ufo-rabbit-hole/id1595590107 Follow Cosmosis X: https://x.com/cosmosis_media Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/12EEyNVPucu/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cosmosis.media Listen to the Cosmosis Soundtrack by Michael Rubino: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/album/5Xvs2NAHNbKjfW7hWkjqey?si=pJPPgIPsRZGkZjJh19UULQ Apple Music: https://music.apple.com/us/album/cosmosis-ufos-a-new-reality-season-one-original-soundtrack/1788465117 Amazon: https://amazon.com/music/player/albums/B0DS5WY5CB?marketplaceId=ATVPDKIKX0DER&musicTerritory=US&ref=dm_sh_zY05XPzhLhuow5dAgK3g2W9yC TIMESTAMPS 04:17 Post-IRVA Conference Reflections 06:00 Deep Dive into Remote Viewing 17:34 Spoon Bending Experience and Online Reactions 35:22 Reflecting on Subjective Realities 36:53 Experiencers and Intellectual Humility 38:29 The Private Nature of Extraordinary Moments 41:15 The Challenge of Filming Personal Experiences 52:45 Skepticism and UFO Phenomena 01:04:46 The Magic of Field Work 01:06:54 Upcoming Projects and Community Engagement Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices