There are two games happening at once, and a lot of people think one game is the game, but it's the other one.

This is Good One. I am Desiade Fox, senior writer and vulture and author of Comedy Book.

My guest this episode is Ben Delacrem. We discuss Drag Race, Drag Race All-Stars, and the annual holiday tour Ben does with last week's guest, Ching Sponsoon. We get into Ben's Mastery of the Snatch Game and how Dale was able to see the matrix of RuPaul's drag race such that she was able to bend the show to her will. So here is Ben Delacrem. I am here with Ben Delacrem. Thank you for joining me. Thanks for having me.

So how I like to start all these interviews is what is the funniest thing that happened to you

this week? Okay. So I knew that this question was coming. So I was going to, I was thinking about

this yesterday and I was racking my brain and I, to the point where I looked back on my calendar, and I was like,

what did I do this week? Where was I? Did anything ever funny happen to me? Okay, well,

I talked to this person. Was there anything funny in that conversation? I was walking through,

and then I was like, oh, this is my comedy, is just that I am taking this question so seriously

and am so stressed out about it.

And that is kind of where I was like,

oh yeah, that's where it comes from.

That's a perfect answer because it's like,

now the audience has a general sense of where it's all going to become.

Like deep anxiety.

Yeah, yeah.

Because we're going to talk about her a bunch,

for those who aren't familiar,

can you briefly explain who Bendelikrim is the drag persona?

Yeah, yeah. She is this character that I sort of developed got at this point, like 20 years ago,

and she is sort of this bubbly kind of ding-dong of a Muppet.

She's sort of, I think of her existing in sort of like the Pee Wee's Playhouse reality.

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