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The Briefing with Jen Psaki

Bench Press: Trump on Collision Course with Federal Judiciary

The Briefing with Jen Psaki

NBC News

News, Politics

4.5664 Ratings

🗓️ 11 February 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Amid warnings of a constitutional crisis, Jen Psaki breaks down the ways that Donald Trump and Elon Musk are laying the groundwork to openly defy court orders, and may already have. Former Federal Judge Nancy Gertner joins to discuss the judiciary's ability to keep Trump's illegal actions in check, as he and his allies push the limits of the constitution. Next, Jen is joined by Senator Ron Wyden to discuss Trump and Elon Musk's takeover of the federal government and why he believes their infiltration of sensitive payment systems constitute a coup. Then, Jen is joined by Representative Jasmine Crockett and PA State Representative Malcom Kenyatta, the newly elected DNC vice chair, to discuss Democratic efforts to fight back, including the possibility of forcing a government shutdown to stop Trump and Musk’s assault on federal agencies. Later, Jen breaks down Trump's efforts to stack our intelligence and law enforcement agencies with people who put loyalty first, including asking new hires whether January 6 was an "inside job." She is joined by Representative Jim Himes to discuss his concerns about Trump's loyal tests and potential national security vulnerabilities posed by Musk's DOGE team. Finally, Jen shares a preview of her wide-ranging conversation with Governor Wes Moore - the first guest on her new podcast 'The Blueprint'.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Okay. As you all know, Donald Trump has never exactly been shy about his contempt for the idea that we have three co-equal branches of government, something you learn when you're in elementary school.

0:18.9

But in his view, all power should ultimately rest with the person sitting behind the resolute desk,

0:25.0

and especially if that person is him, of course.

0:27.9

We got a glimpse of his thinking during his first administration

0:30.3

when he claimed that Article 2 of the Constitution gives him, quote,

0:33.5

the right to do whatever he wants as president.

0:36.5

It does not grant that.

0:38.9

And during the 2024 campaign,

0:40.7

he surrounded himself with people who advocated

0:42.8

for some pretty extreme views of presidential power.

0:46.1

Chief among them was the guy now serving

0:48.1

as his vice president, J.D. Vance,

0:49.4

who floated this piece of advice back in 2021.

0:54.6

I think that what Trump should do, like if I was giving him one piece of advice,

0:59.1

fire every single mid-level bureaucrat, every civil sermon in the administrative state,

1:04.2

replace them with our people.

1:05.8

And when the courts, because you will get taken to court, and when the courts stop you,

1:10.3

stand before the country like Andrew Jackson did and say the chief justice has made his ruling, now let him enforce it.

1:16.9

I mean, in other words, we can't say they didn't warn us, everyone. He was sort of warning us there, I guess.

1:23.3

And so just a few weeks into this new administration, three to be exact, we are quickly seeing what it is like to have a president who is willing to simply ignore the law when it suits him.

1:31.8

We saw that as Trump tried to unilaterally revoke the bedrock principle of birthright citizenship, freeze spending that is constitutionally appropriated by the legislative branch, shut down agencies that were legally created by Congress, and fire career

1:45.6

civil servants who are protected by the law. I mean, the goal here of all of that is to steam

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