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I'm Charlie Sikes.

Welcome back to another episode of To the Contrary podcast, and there is so much going on. Well, there's always so much going on. But I wanted to focus in on what's going on with Ukraine. While we are recording this, the leaders of the free world are gathering in Washington, D.C., the leaders of the free world

minus Donald Trump, trying to provide some solidarity for Vladimir Zelensky, so it doesn't

get bullied, doesn't get steamrolled by Donald Trump. And we're going to find out exactly how far

Trump is willing to go in switching sides. So to join me to parse out some of

this, our good friend Ben Wittis from Lawfare. Thanks for doing me, Ben. I appreciate it.

Hey, Charlie. It's great to see you. I saw you the other day at a conference and we were

both polite enough not to interrupt the

sessions to greet each other. And so I sort of felt like we had seen each other without seeing

seeing each other. We did. But we, but we texted with one another. I'm going to ask you about some of the

things. Cross the table. I want to ask you about some of the stuff we heard.

So before we get into the big stuff, so you actually, to mark the, this shameful summit in Alaska, you went to the Russian embassy in Washington, D.C. and you tried to chalk a

Ukrainian flag. Can you just briefly tell me about that little episode?

Yeah. So I found this very upsetting, to be honest. I joke about these protests a lot, and I, you know, but this one actually really bothered me. So a year ago, I had decided to

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