Hello and welcome to the Bullard Podcast I'm your host Tim Miller it is Friday, May 31st.

And I've got some good news for you, if you haven't heard.

A Manhattan jury found Donald Trump guilty

on all 34 counts of falsifying business records

in his hush money criminal trial.

It is a historic verdict

because it's the first time a former US president

has been convicted of a felony.

I'm pretty excited about this.

I am here today with someone else.

I think also might have a little bit of dispassionate joy.

Our man in New Amsterdam, the guy that's been following this trial for us closely,

Ben Wittis of Law Fair of Dogshirt Daily on

sub-stack of the Brookings Institution. Ben, how you doing my man?

I am excellent. It's been an interesting day. We were just winding down. We were finishing a live stream.

4.30, I walk out the door, we shut down our live stream. There's no verdict. I walk outside. I'm walking to the subway

station to go have an early dinner with a friend and I get a notice from one of lawfares people

inside the court that they have a verdict and my first reaction to it is this is a joke because I'm about to get into a subway and go have dinner with a friend up you know on 49th Street which is nowhere near the court.

And so my response on Slack was, is this a joke?

I was on set with Nicole Wallace on MSNBC and if people for those of you who

DVR deadline White House if you go back to yesterday's at 4.37 Eastern time

when the verdict comes down surprising everyone on set, even the supposed legal experts,

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