The following podcast contains explicit language.

So the question I get more than any other is, do you have any

advisory young journalists? And the truth is I do. I have lots of advice. I love

giving advice. It is a hobby. If you search my name in Google along with

advisory and journals, you'll find it. There's plenty there. But one of the people I've

increasingly turned to for advice is I try to build box is Ben Thompson of

Stratekery. Just a couple of years ago, Ben started a blog just a random

little corner of the internet. And he really quickly established himself. And

this is true for a lot of the people I know who are in the media business.

He really quickly established himself as one of the smartest and most thoughtful

analysts at the intersection of journalism and media and business and

technology. So getting to talk to him for this podcast was a lot of fun. We

discuss a couple of topics that are very, very, very close to my heart,

including whether you can still make it as an individual blogger,

which Ben is showing you can. But the way in which you do that has really changed.

So for those of you who are bloggers, I think you'll find this really fascinating.

We talk about how to make money as a modern media company, which I obviously

care about a lot. We talk about his time working for Apple and Microsoft and what he

learned about both companies and their core cultures. One thing though that

that comes up a couple of times in this interview and I want you to pay attention

to it. I really wanted to call it out because it's true in politics too. And I

think it's such a good habit of mind. Ben talks a lot about the importance of

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